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The group considered three questions, and the answers are summarized below.
Question One: What is the western edge of Toronto? What is the name of a place that you think of as the western edge of "Toronto"?
Question Two: What is the eastern edge of Toronto? What is the
name of a place that you think of as the eastern edge of "Toronto"?
Question Three: Who or where does Toronto report to? In a world hierarchy of cities, some are "under" Toronto and some are "over" Toronto.
The group's answers (with order scrambled) are:
Q1:
Windsor, Kipling, Hyde Park (sic), Humber River, Thunder Bay, end of Bloor subway, University, Hamilton/Burlington, Bloor West Village, Mississauga, Etobicoke, Stoney Creek
Q2:
Coxwell, The Danforth, Pickering, Broadview, Scarborough, Scarborough-Beaches, Kingston, Scarborough Centre, Beaches, Clarington, Queen St. water treatment plant, Ottawa
Q3:
New York, King+Bay, the global economy, New York, everyone but itself, City of Toronto/prov gov/federal gov, everyone but Toronto, New York, the community, to neighbourhoods - up to whole of city, New York
The group discussed what mental maps are, how they are used. Some points of interest are:
- 12 people mentioned where they lived: a summary is 6 in the core of Toronto/downtown, 2 in other parts of Old Toronto, 1 in other parts of the New Toronto, 3 from outside Toronto
- the edge of the city is how far you can go and come back in one day, the limit of day-trips, so in the east Kingston
- about 1km east and west of residence, if prevented from using streetcars because not accessible
- the mental maps of transit service providers are segmented by their territory, fragmented, if you're in the east you have no map of the west, constantly have to mentally re-map as you navigate around the city, time consuming
- must think of your destination and work back to see if a trip is feasible by transit. If you simply set out you could take all day to get somewhere
- one's mental map is shaped by the transit system, if a location is outside your map, then look for alternate destinations that are in your map
- will walk further in Toronto than in Burlington - interesting vs hostile pedestrian environments
- mental maps as one's local view vs memtal map as transit knowledge
- transit design based on where you think you need to go
- expanding our thinking into a large mental map will priviledge those who drive cars
- children's mental maps - have been shrinking
- those using thier car are familiar with roads and car routes but see transit options as narrow, limited, only one path available to get somewhere
- better in European cities where better information lets you make more effective use of your time
- using the subway one has blank space in their mental map bewteen stations that one uses
- distillery district example, started to become known/popular a few years ago, but no one knew how to get there, and many still don't, not on the common mental map of paths
- neighbourhoods - some are strong but overall not cohesive, don't care about the neighbourhood next door, forced megacity led to no common purpose and resistance to intergration
- edge of the city is the end of the streetcar lines
- mental map excludes the suburbs because they so different
- there are virtual mental maps - the net, the telephone
- Toronto prides itself on diversity but its geography is disjointed, rich and poor side by side, no interaction, no trickle down - the nature of our planning systems that compartmentalize things